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As someone sad that DR Secrets no longer exists and knows certain things don't make it to Elanthipedia, I decided to do something about it. The following information is pasted from the original DR Secrets website archived on Waybackmachine. If any of it is incorrect, please send me an email below. If there's anything you'd like to add to this page, send me that as well and I'll see what I can do. This is basically only about the Thieves Guild for now.

Joining the Guild

Crossing

• Ask the blind beggar about thieves
• Ask him about join, and he will say he is thirsty.
• Steal water from the alchemist shop (requires 0 stealing), GIVE WATER TO BEGGAR
  • Please note, being cute and purchasing the water, or getting it elsewhere will respond with the beggar being cute too, its funny, has no drawback, but does not get you in the guild.

Note: You may not belong to any other guild when you attempt this, if you are the beggar will not give you the message you need when you ask him about thieves. Also, To ask him about circle requirements ASK BEGGAR ABOUT TRAIN

Additional Note: The beggar does not teach any of those neat abilities listed below except passages. With the Crossing guild being alive again, he may not even teach that.

Guild Locations

Guild	Password	Entrance
Crossing	No password. Amfitro in Viper's Nest will still give one if you ask, but it serves no purpose.	Crossing guild is in the Sand Spit inn, in the area behind the bar (Go Area - Climb Ladder - Go other barrel (marked with a thief sign).
Riverhaven	Jack roams the area around the jail in the morning time, ask him about password. If it's not morning you'll have to get locked up to talk to him	Location 1 - Outside the pawnshop, search, knock on the door and whisper your password Location 2 - Outside the chicken coop (up in the halfling quarter), search, knock on the door, whisper your password Location 3 - Teahouse (also in the halfling quarter), look at the teahouse door and you will see a footpath. Go footpath, search, knock grate, whisper your password. Location 4 - Go down the blind alley (find the gate on Blackmoon Road) and head all the way south, then go recess to be in the corner slip. Search, knock door, whisper your password. Location 5 - Outside the Artificer Location 6 - Outside the Armor Shop
Shard	Ask pawnshop owner about thief guild (if you need the password, ask aelik about password). He'll give you a mission to find and bring back to him a shiny apple, an etrana flower or a basket. Apple: stealable from the halfling's apple cart Etrana Flower: stealable from the window sill of the building south of gem store Basket: stealable 3 west from the east gate Take your item back to the pawnshop owner and he'll give you the password.	Go well that is one west of East gate, climb ladder, w out w se go gap then knock door and your in.
Shard Keyblank shop	No password	Ask music shop owner about thieves, then offer to buy something for more than you have and you'll get thrown into the shop.
Ratha	No password required	In the exotic shop with guild rings on the third tier, Ask shop owner about cellar
Ain Ghazal	No password required	There is a hidden trap door in the chateau (go gate, w, go path, go door, look for the trap door with familiar markings)

Bonuses

Bonuses play a huge role in many thiefly tasks. From disarming, lockpicking, lockpick carving, stealing and hiding. A thief bonus is tallied from your wanted level, length of time since you committed a crime (or landed in jail), your dedication to the guild (deposits into the charity box), and most importantly the amount of time you have been in or out of town.

Town areas are considered any location inside a town wall or perimeter. Excluding Undershard, Crossing Tunnels and in-town Ranger guilds.

Each providence can have a different bonus level. However, to obtain the highest thief bonus you must not be wanted in any providence or caught committing a crime for at least 5 in game days. (1 1/4 RL days)

To check your guild reputation:

• Crossing - Find the Old Beggar, ASK BEGGAR ABOUT REP
• Shard - In Shard Guild, ASK SAISHLA ABOUT BONUS (I believe there are 3 different statuses)

Abilities Table

Khri

Potency - "Tricks to focus your mind," Varsyth shrugs, "Some claim they're like magic, since nobody but a trained Thief can manage them, but they just don't want to admit we've got the true hold on enlightenment." Varsyth winks. Varsyth pauses, "I can describe or teach you any khri from the Potency tree. Those would be Focus, Sight, Prowess, Calm, Steady, Serenity, and Eliminate."

Subtlety - Tricks to focus your mind," Crow signs, "Some claim they're like magic, since nobody but a trained Thief can manage them. But our 'magic' will always be with us." Crow pauses, "I can describe or teach you any khri from the Subtlety tree. Those would be Darken, Dampen, Strike, Silence, Shadowstep, Sensing, Subsume, and Vanish.

Finesse - Ivitha gets a serious look on her face, "Our most powerful tools by far, <Thief>. Never forget or underestimate the power total discipline and control over one's very self gives you." Ivitha pauses, "I can describe or teach you any khri from the Finesse tree. Those are Hasten, Avoidance, Safe, Plunder, Guile, Flight, Liberation, and Elusion."

Combos

Thief Passages

Thief Passages

Lockpick Carving

It's hard to say exactly when you will be able to carve picks. There are several factors that go into it. Here's some tips to help you.

• Stats/Skills: Agility, Lockpicks, and Mech lore for sure, possibly Charisma, Perception, and maybe reflex
• Check your bonus, Make sure it's as good as possible.
• Use Khri Support, Sight, Safe in this order
• Rumor has it, the lockpick room in the crossing guild gives a bonus to carving.
• Injuries...get them healed
• Encumbrance = Bad, you should remove all your armor
• Sitting or Kneeling

Poison Making

Speech from Saishla when asking about the ability for a second time

Saishla laughs softly to herself as she motions you over, "Back again, I see. Well, I suppose I may have been a bit too subtle with my instructions before. Try this."

"First off," she continues, "You need to prepare all your ingredients. This includes drying any which may benefit from it in a wayerd pyramid, also crushing any solid ones in a mortar."

"Next, you should make your snake oil out of the muljin sap and oil. This is very straightforward, although I should mention that holy oils are, shall we say, hostile to the process. This step does not require heat."

"Next, you must extract the poison. This is done by soaking one part of your poisonous ingredient in four parts of grain alcohol in a tincture jar, making a tincture."

"The next step is to mix the poisonous tincture with the snake oil. As I mentioned, this requires fairly high heat. You should heat the mixture over one piece of charcoal for about three minutes of constant heat to boil off the alcohol of the tincture. Keep the stove open, watching the charcoal to assure that it is still burning. Keep an eye on the snake oil and poison extract as well; while heating them is necessary to transfer the attributes optimally, too much heat will start to break down both the oil's consistency and the potency of the poison itself."

"The final step is the application. If you have followed the steps properly, then you should be able to apply your oil on any weapons or ammunition, provided that it is not already poisoned or blessed. The poison will lose its potency within a couple of hours after being poured, and one good hit will clean the blade of venom. I hope this clarification helps."

With a smile and a wink she turns away.

This is the speech before poison was changed.

Saishla smiles at you, revealing rows of glittering white teeth. After an uncomfortable moment, she gestures you towards her desk and begins to speak,"Poisons, venoms, toxins surround us, our lord Ushnish has not been ungenerous in his gifts. Yet the use of these gifts, and their proper preparation, this is the trick. Anyone can take some water and some poisonous herbs and boil themselves up some tea, but then of course, they must convince some poor idiot to drink it. No, what I will teach you is the art of making venoms which can be used on blades, bolts and darts. Poisons which do not require that the victim be oblivious. Be warned however, the arts of the assassin are not for the coward or the incautious. Poisons by their very nature are volatile and destructive."

"The first step is to procure some type of natural poison. These are found in many places: as herbs, from venomous animals, the choice is yours. Once you have the material, you must extract the venom from it by steeping it in hot water with a catalyst present. The hotter the water, the more of the venom you can extract. But be warned, too much heat, and the potion may boil over and spill on you or even release toxic fumes."

"Once that is done, and you have extracted the venom in a usable form, then you are ready to prepare the base for your weapon venom. There are many oils which will work, but the most common is a mixture of mineral oil and muljin sap called snake oil by some ancient wit. In truth, any oil will work provided it be thick enough. Then you must heat the ingredients, cautiously as before, until they are past even boiling. Then stir in your catalyst to create your poisonous oil. From, there, you simply pour the oil carefully on the blade, and the weapon is ready for use."

With a nod, she quietly turns away from you.

Old speech when asking after initially gaining the ability

Saishla laughs softly to herself as she motions you over, "Back again, I see. Well, I suppose I may have been a bit too subtle with my instructions before. Try this."

"First off," she continues, "You need to prepare all your ingredients. This includes crushing any solid ones in a mortar, and also drying any which might benefit from it in a wayerd pyramid."

"Next, you should make your snake oil out of the sap and oil. This is very straightforward, although I should mention that holy oils are, shall we say, hostile to the process. This step does not require heat."

"The next step is to extract the poison. As I mentioned, this requires fairly high heat. You should heat the water over one piece of charcoal for about 3 minutes of constant heat. Keep the stove open and keep an eye on the charcoal to assure that it is still burning. Then do the same with the snake oil and poison extract, but keep the heat on even longer, 5 minutes or so."

"The final step is the pouring. If you have followed the steps properly, then you should be able to pour your oil on any weapons or ammunition, provided that it is not already poisoned or blessed. The poison will lose its potency within a couple of hours after being poured, and one good hit will clean the blade of venom. I hope this clarification helps."

With a smile and a wink she turns away.

Ambush

Here is a list of the current ambushes that I have (it's probably not all of them)

You must be hidden or invisible and engaged to a target in combat to perform an ambush. Ambush is a stealth contest based on attacker's hiding skill vs. defender's perception skill. Ambush will add a hit bonus to your attack based on the success of the stealth contest.

Note: It is no longer necessary to use the ambush verb for most common attacks. Simply initiate the attack as you normally would and the combat system will automatically setup the ambush attempt.

Syntax: AMBUSH - Ambush your current target defaulting to the 'ATTACK' verb.

Guild Options:

AMBUSH SIGHT: Done from hiding, you can toss dirt in your opponents eyes and blind them. This helps with stealthy attacks. AMBUSH STUN: Done from hiding, will attempt to give the opponent a nasty crack on the head that has the potential to knock them completely unconscious. Requires special equipment or a blunt instrument.
AMBUSH SLASH: Done from hiding, will attempt to cut the back of the opponent's ankles in order to drop them to the ground in pain. Requires a sharp instrument and possibly a great deal of strength.
AMBUSH SIGHT (Crossing): Does not need to be done in hiding, blinds and disorients your target, assuming you hit. If you're stealthy, you will vanish after the strike.
AMBUSH SCREEN (Ratha): A technique to surround oneself with dirt, blinding and disorienting nearby foes, as well as revealing any who may be trying to lurk near you. If you're stealthy, you will vanish after the attack. Can be done in and out of hiding.
AMBUSH CLOUT (Ain Ghazal): Knocks your opponent out. Will not give messaging about who you are if you pass the skill check. Must have both Ambush Slash and Ambush Stun to get this ability.

Training Thief Skills

These are general ideas of how to train skills to level more quickly.

Stealing

You should not consider stealing from shops until you have at least 30-40 ranks in stealing and some ranks in agility.

Lets first consider stealing in DR to stealing in real life...

• Moving from one store to another store stealing items is less obvious then stealing in one store until you get caught.
• Stealing bigger items/more expensive items gives you greater knowledge on how steal better, but stealing more from the same shop is even better.
• Borrowing from "Gone in 60 seconds", it is better to boost all of the items a short time then to steal casually over a long period of time.
• Moving to different cities is gives you a higher capacity to steal without getting caught *as much*.

Crossing Example

• Use all of the Khris that you have (FOCUS, STEALTH, SKULK, (*Do not use Silence))
• Move around to EVERY shop in the area, you should map out the closest proximity shops and start there first. As you pulse you want to gain the maximum EXP first and then gradually decrease over the course of your run.
• You will hide before you enter the shop unless there is a guard in that room (go in the shop to hide).
• Sneak into the shop, then start stealing.
• As lower levels (less then 100) you want to steal the highest price items you can without getting caught or caught some times. As you gain more skill you will want to steal the second best items from the shop that you can. So you will steal 1 possibly 2 items, maybe more (Higher lvl thiefs) from each shop.
• If you have been caught (either trying to steal or actually stolen) run out, immediately hide if there isn't a guard.
• Sneak to your next location. If you have less then 60 in stalking you may want to sneak only a few rooms then unhide and run the rest of the way.
• Repeat with all shops and then head back to the guild to deposit your items into the chest.
• Wait 8-10 mins, Repeat. This cool down time is important, you should work on other skills here.

How to push the envelope a little higher

I would also like to mention how to train Hiding and Stalking at the same time.
Stealing an item resets the hiding and stalking timer. So it is very important to hide at least once/twice and sneak once/twice to gain the maximum EXP. Stalking is very impressive as you move past 150. You start getting decreased round times from 3 to 2 to 1 seconds. Eventually you can eliminate the RT all together within town. Once you past 250-300 or so in stealing your getting pretty good. You should consider stealing even after the shop owner catches you. This may be life or death for you, but stealing while in the open after you caught is the greatest way to get to mind lock. I also recommend stealing across multiple cities. Starting in Crossing moving to Leth during the 7 min cool down, then to Shard etc...

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